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Damon: First of all, thank you obviously for yourtime, Angelina. You are now in Iraq. So what is your main aim in this visit? What are you tryingto accomplish while you are out here?
Jolie: Well, I came to the region about 6 months ago. I first went to Syria because I work withU.N.H.C.R. and there are 1.5 million refugees in Syria alone from Iraq and while I was there, Iwent inside and met with some internally displaced people. You know, these are the peoplemade homeless because of the war. They are refugees. And this trip is to get a better picture ofthe internally displaced people and to discuss the situation with the local government, with ourgovernment, with the NGOs and with local people, and try to understand what is happening,because there are over 2 million internally displaced people and there doesn't seem to be a realcoherent plan to help them and there's lots of good will and lots of discussion, but just a lot oftalk at the moment and a lot of pieces need to be put together. So, trying to figure out whatthey are.
Damon: What kind of sense have you been able to get so far in terms of how severe the crisisis and what actually needs to be done to help out?
Jolie: Well, I, in my research before I came here, I looked at the numbers and there are over 4million people displaced and of the 2 million internally displaced, it's estimated that 58 percentare under 12 years old. So it's a very high number of people in a very, very vulnerablesituation and a lot of young kids. So far the different officials I've met with and different localpeople I've met with all have shared concerns and very strongly, you know, they have spokenout about the humanitarian crisis but um, there seems to be a block in. I'm not good at policyand fixing all this and saying what's wrong, but I do know that, for example, U.N.H.C.R. needsto be more active inside Iraq.
Damon: How do you think U.N.H.C.R. should be doing?
Jolie: Well, I don't have the answers, but I know that this is one thing that needs to beaddressed and solved because there does need to be a real presence here to help count thepeople and register the people.
Damon: Do you think that the global community has a responsibility to address that?
Jolie: Well I think the global community always has a responsibility to any humanitarian crisis.And I think it's in our best interest to address a humanitarian crisis on this scale becausedisplacement can lead to a lot of instability and aggression. We certainly don't want that. Alot of people feel it's a little calmer now. This is the time to really discuss and and try to getthese communities back together. But if these communities don't start coming back togetherproperly, if we don't start really counting the people, understanding where they are, what theyneed, making sure the schools are being built, making sure the electricity,the water and all theseneeds are being met and also understanding that a lot of the people that will return are goingto come back to houses that are occupied or destroyed and bombed out. It's going to be a bigoperation to understand the needs, to address it to help people put the pieces of their lifeback together and return to their communities. So it's really just getting the plan together,getting the group together and everybody actively focused on helping the refugees.
Damon: What would be the message that you would want to carry out of here back home oreven the message that you would want to get out internationally in terms of what's happeninghere, the refugee crisis, the consequences that could happen in the future if it's not properlyaddressed.
Jolie: I always hate speculation on the news, so I don't want to be somebody who speculates.Um but I think it's clear that a displaced unstable population is what happens in Iraq, andhow Iraq settles in the years to come is going to affect the entire Middle East. And a big part ofwhat is going to affect how it settles is how these people are returned and settled into theirhomes into their community and brought back together and whether they can live togetherand what their communities look like, so it does have broad implications.
Damon: On a personal level why is this so important to you? You are willing to come here andrisk your life.
Jolie: Uh, it was an easy choice to make. I felt I had to come here because it is very difficult toget answers about especially the internally displaced people. It's as I said even U.N.H.C.R. whoI traditionally work with, they are not able to be inside at the moment and so I was veryfrustrated and just getting a bunch of ideas and papers but not knowing what's really going on,so today I'm able to talk to all different people from our government and their government andreally get some answers as to what is holding up the processes to really assist these peopleproperly.
Damon: Do you think that you in your position can try to push this process forward but,pressure perhaps on our government?
Jolie: To put pressure on our government?
Damon: Yes, so try to just put pressure in general create awareness?
Jolie: I certainly think creating awareness. I spoke to the officials from our government todayabout meeting our goal, and they still intend to reach that goal. You know there are manydifferent people who can be cynical or say well how are they going to do it, and I will ask themhow are you going to do it and is there some way we can help to ... you know ...
Damon: Ok. Thank you, Angelina, for talking to us.
Jolie: Pleasure.
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